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		<title>Comment on Integrating digital journalism skills by Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.ajeuk.org/2011/10/23/integrating-digital-journalism-skills/#comment-95</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lily, 
 I have made those corrections now. You now also have access as a contributor which gives you a byline. This should make the process much easier if you fancy posting in future. Thanks again for your contribution. 

Best 

Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lily, <br />
 I have made those corrections now. You now also have access as a contributor which gives you a byline. This should make the process much easier if you fancy posting in future. Thanks again for your contribution. </p>
<p>Best </p>
<p>Dan</p>
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		<title>Comment on Integrating digital journalism skills by Lilycanter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lilycanter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for adding my name and sending me the login so swiftly! Can&#039;t work out how to remove my first comment though, so please ignore it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for adding my name and sending me the login so swiftly! Can&#8217;t work out how to remove my first comment though, so please ignore it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Participatory Is Journalism? by Alfred Hermida by Philippa Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.ajeuk.org/2011/06/27/how-participatory-is-journalism-by-alfred-hermida/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>Philippa Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 07:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating study. Don&#039;t you think there has to be a quid pro quo:  if &#039;users&#039; are to remain enthusiastic about contributing news tips and raw material, they&#039;ll want the &#039;professional&#039; writers to return their enthusiasm either by engaging, or by acting as &#039;gateway&#039; curators of more than their own content? That is, journalists need to dedicate time, and resources, to their social media audiences... in a contracting industry....to keep &#039;em?   Also, I agree with Julie that we are already in a different landscape to that of 2007 to 2008. Are you going back to your editors for an update on their views?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating study. Don&#8217;t you think there has to be a quid pro quo:  if &#8216;users&#8217; are to remain enthusiastic about contributing news tips and raw material, they&#8217;ll want the &#8216;professional&#8217; writers to return their enthusiasm either by engaging, or by acting as &#8216;gateway&#8217; curators of more than their own content? That is, journalists need to dedicate time, and resources, to their social media audiences&#8230; in a contracting industry&#8230;.to keep &#8216;em?   Also, I agree with Julie that we are already in a different landscape to that of 2007 to 2008. Are you going back to your editors for an update on their views?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Survey of Hackademics Published by Tony Harcup</title>
		<link>http://www.ajeuk.org/2011/04/04/survey-of-hackademics-published/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Harcup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 10:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The third part can now be seen here:

http://jou.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/05/27/1464884911400843.abstract</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The third part can now be seen here:</p>
<p><a href="http://jou.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/05/27/1464884911400843.abstract" rel="nofollow">http://jou.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/05/27/1464884911400843.abstract</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on How Participatory Is Journalism? by Alfred Hermida by Julie Posetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Posetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 06:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi David, Alf et al,

This is interesting but the timing of the interviews makes it more of a snapshot of attitudes before the mainstreaming of social media. It reflects the research (yet to be published) I did in 2007/8 involving qualitative interviews with Australian producers/presenters on Australian talk radio.

But in my more recent PhD research (drawing on surveys/interviews with journalists conducted across a timeline from early 2009-end 2011), I&#039;m finding &#039;audience&#039; engagement through platforms like Twitter is altering journalistic approaches to editorial power.

I&#039;m writing a PhD thesis called the Twitterisation of Journalism. My objective is to track the change and its impact. And one of the biggest challenges will be making it as up to date as possible @ submission in a dramatically changing online world!

I look forward to reading your book!

Cheers,

Julie Posetti
University of Canberra</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David, Alf et al,</p>
<p>This is interesting but the timing of the interviews makes it more of a snapshot of attitudes before the mainstreaming of social media. It reflects the research (yet to be published) I did in 2007/8 involving qualitative interviews with Australian producers/presenters on Australian talk radio.</p>
<p>But in my more recent PhD research (drawing on surveys/interviews with journalists conducted across a timeline from early 2009-end 2011), I&#8217;m finding &#8216;audience&#8217; engagement through platforms like Twitter is altering journalistic approaches to editorial power.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m writing a PhD thesis called the Twitterisation of Journalism. My objective is to track the change and its impact. And one of the biggest challenges will be making it as up to date as possible @ submission in a dramatically changing online world!</p>
<p>I look forward to reading your book!</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Julie Posetti<br />
University of Canberra</p>
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		<title>Comment on We don&#039;t need to dumb down, but we do need to K.I.S.S. by Martin Conboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Conboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 10:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on, Barnie! Name the offending texts!
Martin</description>
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Martin</p>
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		<title>Comment on We don&#039;t need to dumb down, but we do need to K.I.S.S. by Deirdre O'Neill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deirdre O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 15:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever the diplomat, I have sympathy with all the points made here. But doesn&#039;t it all come down to the topic and the audience? As Mick has said, some of the books mentioned by Barnie are &#039;how to&#039; books. Such books have to be readily understandable and easy to follow. But media theory, by its very nature, strays into economic theory, political theory, sociology and philosophy (I&#039;m sure you could add a few more disciplines) and, as Mick pointed out, some of this requires the audience to work at understanding complex ideas. I&#039;ve found that in practice, certain books suit Level 1 students, but I would introduce others later at, say, Level 3 or postgraduate studies.

That said, when I came into academia, I did find myself getting frustrated at the way sometimes relatively simple ideas were written in what appeared to be a deliberately obtuse style. I wonder if some writers aim to make their academic field their exclusive preserve, shrouding it in a  veneer of faux intellectual phraseology. As a result, some new to academia can feel intimidated and excluded from the club (I certainly did)  or are left feeling frustrated, or suspicious that the &#039;bleeding obvious&#039; or shallow is being stated, but in a &#039;fancy&#039; way. I resisted doing research because I felt I could not master this style.

I have since learned differently, and one way to get over this is to collaborate with a more experienced academic (who writes well)  and to hold your nerve. I did my first piece of research with Tony Harcup on news values. One of the peer reviewers at the time criticised our paper as being &#039;too journalistic&#039; in style. I wavered. Tony said &#039;good&#039;. We didn&#039;t change the style. It has since gone on to be one of the most frequently accessed articles in Journalism Studies.

I firmly believe that most ideas should be explained as clearly and eloquently as possible, and that  anyone publishing has a duty to communicate effectively. That doesn&#039;t mean that all concepts or ideas are as easy to &#039;get&#039; as others, but this does not necessarily mean they are less worthwhile (even if some of my students want to give up at first post with anything outside their comfort zone). By the way, I&#039;ve read Tony and Mick&#039;s books, and they are very well written and accessible and I use them with my students. I&#039;d better read Barnie&#039;s now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever the diplomat, I have sympathy with all the points made here. But doesn&#8217;t it all come down to the topic and the audience? As Mick has said, some of the books mentioned by Barnie are &#8216;how to&#8217; books. Such books have to be readily understandable and easy to follow. But media theory, by its very nature, strays into economic theory, political theory, sociology and philosophy (I&#8217;m sure you could add a few more disciplines) and, as Mick pointed out, some of this requires the audience to work at understanding complex ideas. I&#8217;ve found that in practice, certain books suit Level 1 students, but I would introduce others later at, say, Level 3 or postgraduate studies.</p>
<p>That said, when I came into academia, I did find myself getting frustrated at the way sometimes relatively simple ideas were written in what appeared to be a deliberately obtuse style. I wonder if some writers aim to make their academic field their exclusive preserve, shrouding it in a  veneer of faux intellectual phraseology. As a result, some new to academia can feel intimidated and excluded from the club (I certainly did)  or are left feeling frustrated, or suspicious that the &#8216;bleeding obvious&#8217; or shallow is being stated, but in a &#8216;fancy&#8217; way. I resisted doing research because I felt I could not master this style.</p>
<p>I have since learned differently, and one way to get over this is to collaborate with a more experienced academic (who writes well)  and to hold your nerve. I did my first piece of research with Tony Harcup on news values. One of the peer reviewers at the time criticised our paper as being &#8216;too journalistic&#8217; in style. I wavered. Tony said &#8216;good&#8217;. We didn&#8217;t change the style. It has since gone on to be one of the most frequently accessed articles in Journalism Studies.</p>
<p>I firmly believe that most ideas should be explained as clearly and eloquently as possible, and that  anyone publishing has a duty to communicate effectively. That doesn&#8217;t mean that all concepts or ideas are as easy to &#8216;get&#8217; as others, but this does not necessarily mean they are less worthwhile (even if some of my students want to give up at first post with anything outside their comfort zone). By the way, I&#8217;ve read Tony and Mick&#8217;s books, and they are very well written and accessible and I use them with my students. I&#8217;d better read Barnie&#8217;s now.</p>
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		<title>Comment on We don&#039;t need to dumb down, but we do need to K.I.S.S. by Tony Harcup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Harcup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2011 09:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant self-fulfilling prophecy, not prophesy... where&#039;s the edit button when you need it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant self-fulfilling prophecy, not prophesy&#8230; where&#8217;s the edit button when you need it?</p>
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		<title>Comment on We don&#039;t need to dumb down, but we do need to K.I.S.S. by Tony Harcup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Harcup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2011 08:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barnie and Mick raise some interesting points here, but I fear that there is a danger of a self-fulfilling prophesy at work if we think of all &#039;academic&#039; writing as necessarily over-complicated: it will put some off even having a go at reading or writing such work, and it might encourage those who want to embark on research to believe that they must resort to &#039;gobbledebollocks&#039; if they wish to be taken seriously and/or published. Mick is right that some things are harder to understand than others, and that useful &#039;how to&#039; books are not the only literature we should value, but I do think that even complex ideas and concepts can be expressed in reasonably understandable language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barnie and Mick raise some interesting points here, but I fear that there is a danger of a self-fulfilling prophesy at work if we think of all &#8216;academic&#8217; writing as necessarily over-complicated: it will put some off even having a go at reading or writing such work, and it might encourage those who want to embark on research to believe that they must resort to &#8216;gobbledebollocks&#8217; if they wish to be taken seriously and/or published. Mick is right that some things are harder to understand than others, and that useful &#8216;how to&#8217; books are not the only literature we should value, but I do think that even complex ideas and concepts can be expressed in reasonably understandable language.</p>
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		<title>Comment on We don&#039;t need to dumb down, but we do need to K.I.S.S. by Mick Temple</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick Temple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2011 11:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree almost totally with Barnie’s perception of what academic writing is and what it&#039;s meant to achieve. He seems to feel that you can pick up an academic book on &#039;media&#039; and just get it - you wouldn&#039;t expect to understand immediately, for example, the literature of nuclear physics just because you’d worked in a power station. So why expect to understand an analysis of Foucault (e.g.) without knowing some basic &#039;language&#039; and having been introduced to the subject gradually?

Some things ARE hard to understand and require more than just scanning the words and knowing how to speak English. Few apparently have managed to get beyond page 23, but please don’t condemn Hawking because &#039;Time&#039; is a difficult concept to explain without some effort and intelligence from the reader.

The impact of ‘post-modern’ thought on our lives is deep and profound and the impact of such ideas on how we regard journalism and its roles is important for any thinking journalist to understand. Yes, many texts are difficult to understand and some are, quite frankly, poorly written and seemingly designed to demonstrate how clever the writer is. The same criticism can be made of some journalism.

And of the books he cites, I know the Hudson &amp; Rowlands book very well. It is clear and well written - and barely pays a passing nod (if that) to important theoretical debates about the role of broadcast journalism. It is a practical text, a &#039;how to do&#039; manual, so to speak. There’s nothing wrong with that - but Barnie needs to make sure his definition of &#039;academic&#039; goes beyond &#039;working in&#039; or &#039;writing from&#039; the universities.

The Sheila Gunn edited book on political journalism he cites as the example for us all to follow contains no theory at all – it’s primarily a collection of tips and stories from practitioners. And as an academic, I don’t ‘hate’ it – quite apart from its practical use to students, it’s potentially a very useful source to illustrate theoretical and conceptual ideas about the role of political journalism.

By the way, I speak as someone who has always tried to make my academic work readable and accessible. But some concepts and ideas are difficult to grasp and can&#039;t be &#039;kept simple, stupid&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree almost totally with Barnie’s perception of what academic writing is and what it&#8217;s meant to achieve. He seems to feel that you can pick up an academic book on &#8216;media&#8217; and just get it &#8211; you wouldn&#8217;t expect to understand immediately, for example, the literature of nuclear physics just because you’d worked in a power station. So why expect to understand an analysis of Foucault (e.g.) without knowing some basic &#8216;language&#8217; and having been introduced to the subject gradually?</p>
<p>Some things ARE hard to understand and require more than just scanning the words and knowing how to speak English. Few apparently have managed to get beyond page 23, but please don’t condemn Hawking because &#8216;Time&#8217; is a difficult concept to explain without some effort and intelligence from the reader.</p>
<p>The impact of ‘post-modern’ thought on our lives is deep and profound and the impact of such ideas on how we regard journalism and its roles is important for any thinking journalist to understand. Yes, many texts are difficult to understand and some are, quite frankly, poorly written and seemingly designed to demonstrate how clever the writer is. The same criticism can be made of some journalism.</p>
<p>And of the books he cites, I know the Hudson &amp; Rowlands book very well. It is clear and well written &#8211; and barely pays a passing nod (if that) to important theoretical debates about the role of broadcast journalism. It is a practical text, a &#8216;how to do&#8217; manual, so to speak. There’s nothing wrong with that &#8211; but Barnie needs to make sure his definition of &#8216;academic&#8217; goes beyond &#8216;working in&#8217; or &#8216;writing from&#8217; the universities.</p>
<p>The Sheila Gunn edited book on political journalism he cites as the example for us all to follow contains no theory at all – it’s primarily a collection of tips and stories from practitioners. And as an academic, I don’t ‘hate’ it – quite apart from its practical use to students, it’s potentially a very useful source to illustrate theoretical and conceptual ideas about the role of political journalism.</p>
<p>By the way, I speak as someone who has always tried to make my academic work readable and accessible. But some concepts and ideas are difficult to grasp and can&#8217;t be &#8216;kept simple, stupid&#8217;.</p>
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